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Finally got around to picking up my Glock, sorta. I am not a real fan of polymer-framed pistols, and I really dislike the Glock trigger "sproing". That being said, Glocks are reliable. So I had one made up by Robar with a stainless steel frame. It is finished in NP3 so it is as corrosion-resistant as Glock's Tenifer finish. Now I can hang a Surefire on the front without inducing FTFs. Here it is.

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Nice job. Was it a G22 3rd Gen or 2nd? They seem to be the ones with the tactical light issues...the steel frame should fix that problem.

Nice gun. Very nice custom firearm. Something that can compete with the 1911, the folks who insist on a metal frame. They will be jealous. Wanna sell? Hehehehe.

Very very nice!
How about a shooting report?

The gun was made from the ground up starting with a CCF Raceframe and a Robar slide; it is not a converted Glock.

As part of my prep work, I had bought ten Glock magazines and ordered a total of 10 with the gun. Yes, I have 20 17-round Glock magazines, meaning I could carry 340 rounds without needing to reload magazines. I actually carried 300 rounds of 9x19 WWB as that was all I had. I had loaded 15 rounds into each of the magazines before the trip and set up a few coffee cans and milk jugs as targets. This range trip was for function, not accuracy. All shooting was done at distances of less than 20 yards, and a fair amount was at about 50 feet.

In not that much time, the gun was smoking hot and I was out of ammo. It is amazing (or scary to the wallet) how fast and easy it is to burn through ammo when each magazine holds 15 rounds, and one has 20 magazines.

Some realizations as a result of the range trip. The back straps are made from a spongy polymer that feels nothing like the polymer used in Glock's frames. These back straps have noticeable "give". The 1911 back strap fits my small hand better, and I am closer to being instinctively on target with that back strap.

The XS sights are fast and the sight picture is better than I expected. For my aging eyes, this was a surprise.

Recoil is nil with this gun, and I was fast with it. I was able to keep a coffee can hopping with all of the rounds in the magazine.

The trigger is not a 1911 trigger, but it is better than any Glock I tried. It feels like a good S&W revolver trigger and is about as long. Reset was acceptable but not stellar.

The slide does not wobble on the rails. It does not feel like a 1911 slide fit to a frame, but it does not feel like a Glock either. The extractor is NOT an LCI extractor, unlike what is shown in the Alloy Extreme manual. From the reports on the forums, that is a good decision by Robar.

I like the checkering and the lack of finger grooves. I needed the sharp checkering to hold onto the gun. The NP3 is slick, and sweaty hands made for some interesting experiences. I fumbled the draw twice in the afternoon heat, coming up with nothing in my hand. Oops!! Perhaps I should have chosen the Roguard finish.

The gun, with the rounds I fired, did not bobble once. Hard to draw any conclusions from 300 rounds. A good start. The installed buffer is showing some signs of wear, so I need to watch it. The gun, like anything finished in NP3, cleaned up fast and easily. Getting the slide back on the gun was a PITA as I need to hold the slide latches on both sides of the gun in the down position while putting the slide back on the frame.

It's a unique gun that's a little different from everything else out there, but why try so hard to make a Glock look/feel like a 1911 when you could simply use a 1911? You keep going back and comparing this gun to a 1911, and admit that a 1911 fits you better. So, why a Glock? Just because of reliability? I'm sure one of your JBH 1911s will go head to head with this Glock in reliability department; I know mine do. :wink:

I got it because it is reliable and because it holds 18 rounds, nearly twice what a 1911 will hold. It also came stock with a rail, another plus.

Yeah, it is no Harrison 1911; on the other hand, 20 cheap magazines for it hold 340 rounds. I need more than 34 expensive 9x19 1911 magazines to hold the same amount of ammo.

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Originally Posted by farscott (Post 1848494)

Fair enough. Although if I were in a situation where I needed 340 rounds of anything, I would have my carbine with me. As for the sidearm, I still leave that duty to my 1911s.

My usual sidearm is still a 1911; however, there are times when I am supposed to carry something else. Now I have that something else.

Is this metal coated plastic or metal from the ground up?

I would like to know about its weight.

Looks very interesting.

Thanks

E-A

The frame is stainless steel; the slide is carbon steel. All the steel parts are finished in Robar's NP3. Empty weight is right at 39 ounces.

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Originally Posted by farscott (Post 1848351)

I like the checkering and the lack of finger grooves. I needed the sharp checkering to hold onto the gun. The NP3 is slick, and sweaty hands made for some interesting experiences. I fumbled the draw twice in the afternoon heat, coming up with nothing in my hand. Oops!! Perhaps I should have chosen the Roguard finish.

You might want to consider something like Brooks Tactical "Agrip". It's a pressure sensitive adhesive backed cut/fire resistant (Kevlar/Nomex/???) black suede stuff that's die cut to match your weapon (or you can get uncut sheets). I've got it on my plastic Glock & Kahr pistols, and it does a great job of providing a secure grip. See:

http://www.brookstactical.com/

Thanks for the suggestion. I have been practicing the draw, and I think the issue is more me than the finish. I am so used to drawing a 1911, and the draw for the Alloy Extreme is subtly different. Even though I am using Sparks VM-2s, the angle is slightly steeper for the "Not a Glock".

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Originally Posted by farscott (Post 1854557)

My first more lengthy reply was lost when GIM (apparently) briefly went down.

I've never had issues with "subtle" differences in weapon draw angle causing fumbled draws. In a serious social situation, things will me MUCH worse than at the range. Fine motor control (i.e., of a "subtly different" draw) will go down the toilet.

If a weapon induces fumbling during low stress range practice, something with the weapon/holster is at fault. If you fumble a draw & grab at the weapon to retain it, bad things may happen.

There are lots of little things that caused me to fumble those first few draws. New gun, new holster, and slick finish all combined to cause the problem. Practice has helped, and now I am moving on to some more realistic practice. I am going to shoot the gun in a match or two, and see how it does with match pressure. If that is decent, it might go with me to a class in the fall. If I do well with it, it might make my carry rotation.

The good news is that it has been reliable. The bad news is that I need to start loading 9x19.